@Great_Chumpion @Solidarity_Star What else is there? And how does it apply to 1m1v?
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Evan Cholerton 🌎
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Evan Cholerton 🌎
@evancholerton
Proud self-hating Floridian, part-time Canadian, current Californian 🌻🌎🔆 @groundworkdsa @rosegardendsa 🌹 He/they
Los Angeles, CA Katılım Aralık 2013
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@Solidarity_Star Slop electoralism thinks more people able to vote always guarantees more democracy when that's not remotely how it works, the US is probably THE most voter open country with how we choose party nominees (primaries) and it's still a Flawed Democracy because there's more than that!
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DSA should absolutely be activist lead. The people who actually show up, put in the work in working groups and participate in debates in general body meetings are the ones who should have the most influence over the direction of DSA and its chapters.
Sardaukars4Kids 🌹🌱⚡️@fozzymane
For DSA to be a true mass organization and ultimately a mass party, we need 1m1v. Setting up barriers to participation in our democracy is a recipe for a small, self-selecting, activist-driven org.
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@moistcoffeecake 1M1V for resolutions does sound pretty good... 👀
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I want to write about this in longer form, but one short thought is that 1M1V for leadership without 1M1V for resolutions results in a situation where you no longer have a legitimate legislative body that can overrule the NPC/Chapter Steering Committee
PK Gandakin 🪿 🚩@pkgandakin
@gyrewidener It seems like half the opposition against 1m1v is that it’ll undermine the DSA ossified friend group bureaucracy
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this movie is so fucking evil and the worst people on the planet think it's Citizen Kane
cinesthetic.@TheCinesthetic
The opening of Idiocracy (2006) does all the heavy lifting up front. One sharp, deadpan montage and the premise clicks instantly. Aged beautifully.
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@zacharyjonesx Sortition + representative/direct democracy would be fantastic, however
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these would all be worse to live in than representative democracy by wide margins
Rishi | ഋഷി | 🌐🗽🥥🔰🏙@RishiJoeSanu
Superior liberal alternatives to democracy ranked: 1. Futarchy: Policy is determined by prediction markets, where citizens vote on metrics of success but speculators bet on which policies will actually achieve those outcomes. Credits to @robinhanson 2. Quadratic Voting: Voters use a budget of credits to "buy" votes on issues, where the cost per vote increases quadratically to reflect the true intensity of their preferences. Credits to @glenweyl 3. Epistocracy: Political power or voting weight is distributed based on demonstrated knowledge or competence over promised policies rather than universal suffrage. 4. Sortition: Decisions are made by a representative body of citizens chosen at random from the population, similar to a jury, to eliminate professional political bias. 4. Liquid Democracy: A hybrid system where citizens can vote directly on any issue or delegate their voting power to a trusted proxy, with the ability to revoke that delegation at any time.
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@JohnKrumm @GroundworkDSA As someone who strongly believes in 1M1V at both the chapterwide and national levels, I agree with this 100%
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@GroundworkDSA 1M1V will work well if it includes serious pre-election member engagement. Panel discussions, opportunities for q & a, actual calling of members by candidates like they do when they are running for political office... And for chapter issues, similar political education outreach.
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Real chapter democracy rests on voting accessibility for every key decision and every leader in the organization. Every member should get a say, no exceptions.
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This is huge. Not only is this the morally correct position, its the politically correct one too. There is no coalition for president that can be assembled without opposing money for Israeli, apartheid and genocide of palestinians. So proud this commitment was made on a DSA call
Peter Sterne@petersterne
BREAKING: At tonight’s NYC-DSA electoral forum, @AOC committed to voting against “any spending on arms for Israel, including so-called defensive capabilities.”
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Serious question: if AOC got elected president, would she face a DSA re-endorsement forum after that? How would that work? Presumably it wouldn’t be open stack on zoom with the President of the United States?
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* ICE is killing people
in the streets
* oil will soon be $200 and people will starve because trump started a war with iran
* cuba is being squeezed to an unprecedented extent
and you’re still making fun of people for calling 2024 an extremely important election
holdenn 🍺@comradejumpshot
there is something a liiittle "most important election ever" about some of the aoc 2028 arguments
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@adornos_soul @WithoutJudith One of the main reasons I'm a @groundworkdsa member is that we hold an "all of the above" line on that question. We believe DSA ought to hold street organizing, unionization, tenant organizing, and electoralism all in equally high regard.
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@adornos_soul I don't think @WithoutJudith or anyone could disagree with the idea that instrumentally valuable reforms *can* be pursued under the current state of affairs
The difference is the prioritization of the pursuit of these reforms compared to other organizing strategies
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I feel like this arg can be summed as one side saying "wielding the state for pro-worker reforms is NECESSARY but insufficient to achieve full liberation"
and the other saying "wielding the state for pro-worker reforms is necessary BUT INSUFFICIENT to achieve full liberation"
Judith C.@WithoutJudith
The autonomy of the state is an illusory autonomy. It immediately appears as autonomous because it has the abstract form of a democratic system, but it is mediated by capital all the way down. Holding elected office does not prove the autonomy of the state, even ‘relatively.’
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@IolaElla @WithoutJudith I don't think it's naivete - it's a desire to pursue reforms:
- On their own merits (improve the lives of workers! or at least make them suck as minimally as possible)
- As a precursor/postcursor to building working-class self-organizing capacity (unions, mass engagement, etc)
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@WithoutJudith Omg, thank you, post Sanders left electoralism has a naivete about the capitalist state that even past iterations of left electoralism didn't have
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The autonomy of the state is an illusory autonomy. It immediately appears as autonomous because it has the abstract form of a democratic system, but it is mediated by capital all the way down. Holding elected office does not prove the autonomy of the state, even ‘relatively.’
DC🪴🌹@morematerial
The state is a relatively autonomous terrain of struggle, control over which is disproportionally impactful on organizing conditions in other terrains. Administering sections of the state effectively is a precondition for cohering a political pole capable of transforming it.
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@FalseConsc @pkgandakin @morematerial People who pay dues but who don't have time to go to working group meetings deserve to have a say.
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@pkgandakin @morematerial Do you think any random dude that sits on his ass at home and never goes to any meetings knows best how to run a working group and who should do it? How would they know this? Sometimes there are decisions that are best made by people doing the work
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Yes I think all leadership positions should be elected by general membership or appointed by people elected by general membership. Planning on elaborating in long-form :)
welcome to our trash revolution@trash_panda97
@morematerial are you suggesting that everyone should have to whip 1k votes for each of our many WGs in the largest chapter in the org in order to simply get a majority on any OC? this seems good to you? to me it seems like a recipe for election fatigue and basically nonstop whipping
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@RefrmDemocracy @NoskeInstitute @timerube Nithya Raman has never once called herself a democratic socialist
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@NoskeInstitute @timerube Neither of them were democratic socialists! I am not saying DSA should endorse people who aren’t demsocs. Our priority is to grow, as much as possible, the already very tiny number of democratic socialist elected officials who meet minimal criteria for political acceptability.
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So we really learned nothing from the Illinois primaries.
Noah Goldberg@Noah__Goldberg
DSA LA decided NOT to reopen their endorsement window for mayor of Los Angeles following a debate. That means nether Nithya Raman nor Rae Huang will get the group’s backing for the June primary — which comes with canvassers and phone bankers. Vote needed 2/3 majority, got ~54%.
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My goal for the ‘25–‘26 DSA season was to forge one genuine relationship with a DSA rightist. I’ve developed a thesis that org drama, personal toxicity, and interpersonal animosity actually distracts from the political struggle within the organization.
Shoutout homie!
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for anyone who knows anything about south florida dems this is a huge "holy shit" moment
Center for Strategic Politics@StratPolitics
On the issues, Moskowitz is severely out of step with FL-23 voters. *63%* of Democratic voters support reducing military aid to Israel, with 30% supporting a full cessation of aid.
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At what point do we recognize the obvious truth that youth are an oppressed class?
The youth liberation movement can't come soon enough.
Mini Modu@MinModulation
they're going to ban phones and internet for everyone under 18/25/30/35 but also never allow them to ever go outside or have friends or even read anything on their own. "parents rights" won
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Evan Cholerton 🌎 retweetledi
I read that teens would be willing to get off their phones more if their parents let them go anywhere alone. They’d even settle for hanging out in their own front yards unsupervised. But parents overwhelmingly won’t allow it. I don’t think therapy can do much in the face of that.
Rothmus 🏴@Rothmus
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